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Communicating Smart Meter Value

Sep 9 2010 - 2010-01-01 12:00:00 - Your City

If you are involved in Management or Customer Service and are responsible for communicating the value of smart meters to your utility customers, you don’t want to miss this online discussion - Communicating Smart Meter Value.  more...

Social Media: The new frontier in recruiting, communications and marketing

Sep 13 2010 - 2010-01-01 12:00:00 - Your City

Join social media mavens Matthew Burks and Amanda Shewmake as they provide an insider's perspective on how HR, communications and marketing professionals in energy companies can harness the power of social media to be more effective and productive. more...

Eliminating Obstacles and Delivering the Benefits of the Smart Grid - IBM's Optimized Energy Value Chain (OEVC)

Sep 14 2010 - 2010-01-01 12:00:00 - Your City

The convergence of power and information technologies in the smart grid has created opportunities for finer grained and broader controls of energy flows. These opportunities can improve electric service in multiple dimensions: lower cost, greater reliability, greater customer satisfaction, and more...

Achieving Operational Excellence - What to Consider Before Implementing or Upgrading Your Distribution Management Solutions

Sep 16 2010 - 2010-01-01 12:00:00 - Your City

Significant cost over runs. Changing business requirements. A well thought out plan is essential. Attend this free webcast discussion to hear inside hear three experts in utility operations discuss what utilities need to evaluate when they are considering upgrading or more...

Outsmarting the Smart Grid: IT, Security and Communication Infrastructure  Challenges & Opportunities for Utilities

Sep 21 2010 - 2010-01-01 12:00:00 - Your City

The smart grid is shifting the playing field for utilities. And when the game changes, it pays to be prepared. A nimble solutions partner can help you design the solutions that keep operations on track, even as new challenges come more...

1st CSP Today Concentrated Solar Thermal Power Summit India

Sep 7 2010 - Sep 8 2010 - New Delhi India

Deliver a profitable, productive and commercially successful large scale CSP business in India. Building on the success of past events in USA, Europe & MENA, CSP Today brings to New Delhi the most relevant international experience for the concentrated solar more...

Offshore Wind Energy in North America's Great Lakes Conference

Sep 9 2010 - Sep 10 2010 - Toronto

Two day conference that tackles the most important challenges. A blend of European knowledge from the companies who have been installing offshore wind turbines for the last decade alongside local state governing bodies and leading project developers. Permitting, securing long more...

Autovation 2010

Sep 12 2010 - Sep 15 2010 - Austin, TX - USA

Autovation 2010 is a not-to-miss educational forum that will attract utility executives from around the world looking for new ways to optimize their operations through automation technologies. more...

Global Sustainable Bioenergy North American Convention

Sep 14 2010 - Sep 16 2010 - Minneapolis, MN - USA

The North American convention provides a remarkable opportunity to play a part in guiding renewable energy policy for the 21st century. Attendees will create a resolution that, along with similar resolutions already drafted on four other continents, will help set more...

GridWise Global Forum

Sep 21 2010 - Sep 23 2010 - Washington, DC - USA

Hosted by the GridWise(R) Alliance and the U.S. Department of Energy, the GridWise Global Forum will convene thought leaders from the highest levels of government, business, NGOS, and academia from around the world to discuss the ultimate enabling potential of more...

1. Intro to Nat Gas Trading & Hedging 2. Option Applications in Energy

Sep 20 2010 - Sep 23 2010 - Houston, TX - USA

Introduction to Natural Gas Trading & Hedging - This program provides a comprehensive understanding of the structures that underlie Natural Gas trading. Beyond Essentials: Option Applications in Energy - This course provides a solid practical and conceptual (non-quantitative) understanding of more...

Electric Business Understanding Seminar

Sep 20 2010 - Sep 21 2010 - Houston, TX - USA

Electric Business Understanding provides a comprehensive overview of the electric industry. Position yourself for career advancement by gaining a solid understanding of how the electric business works including key physical, market, and regulatory aspects and how market participants navigate this more...

Electric Market Dynamics Seminar

Sep 22 2010 - Sep 23 2010 - Houston, TX - USA

Electric Market Dynamics offers participants an in-depth understanding of North American electric markets and how they function. Enhance your career by furthering your knowledge of market structures, pricing mechanisms, services offered in markets, and how various participants use the markets more...

Gas and Electric Business Understanding Seminar

Oct 5 2010 - Oct 6 2010 - Los Angeles, CA - USA

Gas and Electric Business Understanding provides a comprehensive overview of the natural gas and electric industries. Position yourself for career success by gaining a solid understanding of how each business works, including key physical, market and regulatory aspects, as well more...

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    According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), the world will need almost 60 percent more energy by 2030 than what it had consumed three decades ago, and fossil fuels are expected to meet most of our energy needs. We depend on oil for 90 percent of our transport, food, pharmaceuticals, chemicals and the entire bedrock of modern life. But oil industry experts estimate that current reserves will only last for about 40 years and will become very expensive. No wonder, recently a barrel of crude oil had hit a price of around US$145.

    While pessimists predict production will start declining within 15 years, the optimists say we won't have to worry for a century, though rising prices are likely to push us towards alternative energy sources anyway. Gas, often a suitable replacement for oil, won't last indefinitely either. There's plenty of coal, but it's still usually hard to use without causing high pollution.

    If everyone in developing countries like India used the same amount of energy as the average consumer in high-income countries, the developing world's energy use would increase more than eightfold by 2050. In the last decade, US oil use has increased by almost 2.7 million barrels a day -- more oil than India and Pakistan use daily altogether.

    Not everyone depends on the fossil trio, though. Nearly a third of today's world population has no electricity or other modern energy supplies, and another two thirds have only limited access. About 2.5 billion people have only wood or other biomass for energy -- often bad for the environment, almost always bad for their health.

    Where our energy comes from is a very important question as energy sources are often long distances from the point of consumption. There is plenty of coal, but it can cause major pollution. Centralized energy generation and distribution systems are fairly new. A couple of centuries ago virtually everyone would have depended on the fuel they could find within a short distance of home. Now, the energy for our fuel, heat and light travel vast distances to reach us, sometimes crossing not only continents but political and cultural watersheds on the way. These distances create a whole host of challenges, from oil-related political instability to the environmental risks of long-distance pipelines.

    But even if we could somehow indefinitely conjure up enough energy for everyone who wants it, without risking conflict and mayhem in bringing it back home, there would still be an enormous problem: how to use the energy without causing unacceptably high levels of damage to the natural world.

    A Case Study -- India

    The energy scenario in India is a complex mixture of a variety of energy sources being utilized to meet a variety of needs in urban and rural areas. Though the use of conventional energy sources is expected to continue increasing steadily, there are several constraints, like a quantum of proven reserves of coal, quality of product, transportation bottlenecks and environmental degradation.

    According to the Government of India's official sources, as on July 31, 2008, the country has an overall installed capacity of 145,587.97 MW consisting of 64.6 percent of thermal power (i.e., 77,198.88 MW of coal, 14,716.01 MW of gas, and 1,199.75 MW of diesel); 2.9 percent of nuclear (4,120 MW); 24.7 percent of Hydel (36,158.76 MW) and 7.7 percent of renewable energy sources (12,194.57 MW). The overall power generation during 2007-08 stood at 704.45 billion units (BU) or over 135,000 MW. India has more than 144 million consumers of electricity. The country's energy transmission and distribution are handled by 13 State Electricity Boards (SEBs); six State Electricity Departments (SEDs); 36 State distribution companies plus seven private distribution companies.

    Up to March 31, 2008, more than 488,353 (out of total 593,732) villages have been electrified. There are 105,379 villages yet to be electrified.

    India's power deficit is over 14 percent from an average energy shortfall of 9 percent during non-peak hours. It varies from state to state and the more industrialized you are, the higher the demand.

    India's per capita commercial energy consumption is less than a tenth of the world average. However, within this low average figure, there is a vast disparity between the urban areas, which consume 80 percent of the total energy use with only 20 percent of the population, whereas the rural areas, which have 80 percent of the population, consume only 20 percent of the total energy.

    India must harness renewable energy in mass scale

    India is well endowed with renewable energy sources, such as solar, wind, ocean, and biomass. Being a tropical country, it receives sunshine of about 1,648 to 2,108 kWh/sq. meters per annum in nearly 250 to 300 days. The daily solar energy incidence is between 5 and 7 kWh/sq. meter at different parts of the country. The solar energy received by the total land of India is around 19 trillion kWh/day, which is about 2.2 million tonnes of coal equivalent or 1.52 million tonnes of oil equivalent.

    Although there is a huge potential for harvesting more than 84,776 MW through renewable energy sources, so far India could harness only 11,272.13 MW, consisting of 605.80 MW of biopower (agro residues and plantations), 7,844.52 MW of wind, 2,045.61 MW of small hydro projects, 719.83 MW of cogeneration (Bagasse), 55.25 MW of waste-to-energy generation, and 2.12 MW of solar power.

    People should realize that a day passed without harnessing the potential of wind, solar, hydro and ocean is loss of energy forever, because, like time, these energy losses can never be recovered.

    In 2007, of the estimated 80,000 MW added in renewable energy worldwide, China added 69 percent, with the U.S. coming in a poor second at 4 percent, and India just 2 percent.

    The bearable cost of energy, the availability of energy, and the quality of energy are the keys for greater economic growth. India's economy is growing fast, nearing a double-digit growth rate. To fuel this growth, more commercial-use electricity is needed in addition to meeting residential demand. India has supply shortages in both residential and commercial electricity, including peak time supply.

    Solar electricity may help fill India's demand-and-supply gap to some extent, especially in peak time demand. Many of India's remote villages are not connected with electricity grid, and solar offers a solution for this, along with other local small-scale renewable electricity generation technologies.

    The government of India has recently announced subsidy plans of US$750/KW for installed capacity of residential or commercial use, with a maximum of US$1,250/household. For community and institutional use the subsidy is higher, at US$1,250/KW. The government has also announced feed-in-tariffs of up to US$0.30 per unit (KWh). This is up to 75 percent of the generation costs of PV (photovoltaic), which range between US$0.38 to US$0.75 per unit.

    India has abundant solar resources, receiving about 3,000 hours of sunshine every year, and has a potential of about 20 MW/sq.km., according to energy researcher Shirish Garud at The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI), based in New Delhi. However, the high price of PV electricity remains an issue. He adds that with higher volumes and economies of scale the prices are expected to come down as the market expands in the next few years.

    PV offers many potential applications in India. The telecom industry has used it to power relay systems and telephone exchanges in rural areas. Railways have used it for remote applications, signaling and for operating unmanned gates.

    Use in telecom towers is another potential application. Dr. Bharat Bhargava, a Director in India's Ministry of New and Renewable Energy (MNRE), said that in India, "Solar makes possible stand-alone, distributed and decentralized electricity available to rural, remote, difficult areas and unmanned applications. The rule of thumb today is that where reliability and unmanned operation are important -- for example, telecom, etc . -- solar offers the best solutions."

    With the flexibility of PV in generating electricity from milliwatt to megawatt, it offers a wide range of applications. Solar lamps and other consumer applications of PV are a large potential market in India, especially in underpowered rural areas and high-tech uses like personal and business computing.

    "India has the capability to provide global leadership in the area of developing renewable energy technology," noted former U.S. Vice President and Nobel Peace Laureate Al Gore had said while inaugurating the India chapter of The Climate Project, a U.S.-based non-profit organization that supports the former vice president's efforts in promoting climate change activism globally. "India has proven its capability in sectors like information technology and can be a leader in the world in developing new renewable technologies to combat climate change," he added.

    Recognition of renewable energy as a sustainable energy

    In India, the importance of the role of renewable energy in the transition to a sustainable energy base was recognized as early as the 1970s. At the government level, political commitment to renewable energy manifested itself in the establishment of the Department of Non-Conventional Energy Sources in 1982, which was subsequently upgraded in 1992 to a full-fledged Ministry of Non-Conventional Energy Sources (MNES), and then rechristened in October 2006 as the Ministry of New and Renewable Energy (MNRE).

    During the past 25 years, the renewable energy program in India has evolved in three distinctive stages. In the first stage, from about the late 1970s to the early 1980s, the thrust of the national effort in this field was directed towards capacity building and R&D, largely in national laboratories and educational institutions. The second stage, from early 1980s to the end of the decade, witnessed a major expansion with accent on large-scale demonstration and subsidy-driven extension activities.

    The extension programs generated a vast network of institutions and non-government organizations, right down to the level of self-employed workers and organizations at the grassroots levels. In the third and current stage, extending from the beginning of the last decade, the emphasis has been more on application of mature technologies for power generation, based on wind, small hydro, biogas cogeneration and other biomass systems, as well as for industrial applications of solar and other forms of energy.

    There has also been a gradual shift from the subsidy-driven mode to commercially driven activity in the area. Since 2006-07, new impetus has been given to research and development of cutting-edge new and renewable energy technologies such as next generation solar technologies, hydrogen and fuel cells, and biofuels.

    Renewable energy applications have brought about significant changes in the Indian energy scenario. Apart from electricity generation, which has now started contributing significantly in the national electricity mix, the application of these technologies has benefited millions of rural folk by meeting their cooking and other energy requirements in an environmentally benign way.

    The social and economic benefits include reduction in drudgery among rural women and girls engaged in the collection of fuel wood from long distances and cooking in smoky kitchens, minimization of the risks of contracting lung and eye ailments, reduction in deforestation, employment generation at village level, and ultimately the improvement in the standard of living and creation of opportunity for economic activities at village level.

    India has been pursuing a threefold strategy for promotion of renewables:
    • Providing budgetary support for research, development and demonstration of technologies;
    • Facilitating institutional finance through various financial institutions; and
    • Promoting private investment through fiscal incentives, tax holidays, depreciation allowance and remunerative returns for power fed into the grid.
    The Indian renewable energy program is primarily private-sector driven. It offers significant investment and business opportunities. A large domestic manufacturing base has been established in the country for renewable energy systems and products. Companies investing in these technologies are eligible for fiscal incentives, tax holidays and depreciation allowance apart from the remunerative returns for power fed into the grid.

    The International Energy Agency (IEA) suggests that the renewable policy design should reflect the following five key principles:

    • The removal of non-economic barriers, such as administrative hurdles, obstacles to grid access, poor electricity market design, lack of information and training, and the tackling of social acceptance issues ("not in my backyard" - NIMBY), with a view to overcome them -- in order to improve market and policy functioning;
    • The need for a predictable and transparent support framework to attract investments;
    • The introduction of transitional incentives, decreasing over time, to foster and monitor technological innovation and move technologies quickly towards market competitiveness;
    • The development and implementation of appropriate incentives guaranteeing a specific level of support to different technologies based on their degree of technology maturity, in order to exploit the significant potential of the large basket of renewable energy technologies over time; and
    • The due consideration of the impact of large-scale penetration of renewable energy technologies on the overall energy system, especially in liberalized energy markets, with regard to overall cost efficiency and system reliability.


    Nuclear power from the killer atoms

    Nuclear power was the technology of the future in the 1950s. Half a century later, the promise of energy "too cheap to meter" remains an unfulfilled dream, the fundamental problems of catastrophic risk and long-lasting, highly radioactive waste still unsolved. With nuclear power construction grinding to a halt in wealthier countries, the industry has turned its sights to Asia, trying to sell its technology as a climate-friendly solution to the continent's burgeoning energy demand. However, nuclear power cannot play a significant role in solving the energy needs of the vast majority of India's population, much less do so in a way that offers any net environmental gains.

    Nuclear plants today generate less than three percent of India's electricity and less than one percent of its total energy needs. Even under the most optimistic scenarios nuclear power will only be able to double or triple its contribution by the middle of this century. Investing the immense capital needed to construct nuclear plants in energy efficiency measures, instead, offers far larger payoffs for reductions of carbon emissions. Nuclear power, the most expensive form of centralized electricity generation, is an inefficient way to deliver energy to India's vast unserved rural population.

    The single most pressing "security" issue of the 21st century will be assuring the essentials of a healthy, dignified life for the billions of people who are left out of a global economy focused on delivering mass consumption items to urban middle classes, luxuries to wealthy elites, and weapons to enforce this inequitable status quo. In the rising global awareness of both global warming and limits on oil supplies, there is an opportunity for a different path of both technology development and trade. This path would stress decentralized energy strategies and technologies, first to serve the basic needs of unserved populations, moving as quickly as possible to the use of renewable energy sources rather than fossil fuels. This approach to energy development has other positive consequences as well, e.g., improving public health by reducing open fuel burning for cooking and heat, slowing deforestation where wood is used for fuel, and creating large numbers of jobs broadly distributed geographically and in skill levels, from technology development through manufacturing to widely distributed work installing equipment for decentralized energy generation and use.

    Mass production of renewable energy generation equipment and developing the technologies will both reduce their cost and encourage further innovation, providing growing opportunities for reducing the energy crunch in India.

    The new advocates of wind energy are businessmen who make "money" from the "barren lands" and the "blowing wind". It is economics that will bring about the age of wind energy, an age long deferred but now about to dawn on our dwindling fossil-fuel economy. As well, the people who did not turn to using the sun and the wind because they appeared to be merely an elegant idea will do so when they see a house down the street that draws its heat, cooling, and hot water from the sun, or a wind farmthat powers a tiny village. Very soon they may opt for electricity from such tax-free, silent, abundant, non-polluting, shock free, smokeless and safe natural resources.

    To conclude, it is quite obvious that by the middle of this century, the possibility of large-scale use of solar energy as a principal power source will cease to be regarded as a Utopian fantasy. Now, as never before, solar energy is an idea whose time has come.

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    Readers Comments

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    Len Gould
    4.13.09
    I'm reserving my opinion on your article until I hear the result/price of the bids for new nuclear in Ontario, Canada in May.

    btw. Scientific American this month. World food dtocks in storage now down to 62 days reserve, from typical 145 days in 1990's.

    Ernest Siddall
    4.14.09
    Too bad that in a long article he does not say [1] what kinds of solar plant India, for instance should plan for [2] what kind of grid system would cope with the erratic nature of the source [3] what would it all cost. He does not need to knock nuclear: everybody loves solar! Ernest Siddall April 14

    Steve Clark
    4.15.09
    I've heard the spin on the solar savior for our energy system for many years. Of the few 'negatives' discussed, there has yet to appear a meaningful discussion about what this free energy source does in our current environment. If we 'steal' this energy before it hits the ground what impact might this have on the balance of nature? At best, we might get 200 MW from a 1300 acre field, a very large piece of ground! What affect, if any, will the resulting 'cold spot in the dirt' have? Is there lost reflective energy that might also have some detrimental affects?

    Considering the enormous amount of surface area involved to obtain any really meaningful amount of power, do we have enough of a grasp on the big picture? For some reason I envision this immense tabletop with nothing but bare frozen ground underneath.

    Malcolm Rawlingson
    4.19.09
    Sounds good. How much energy will be required to manufacture all those solar panels? I am sure they do not grow on banyan trees. Your data on nuclear power is very much coloured by your opinion and has no basis in fact. Nuclear power is the cheapest form of electrical generation all fuel costs included. "Killer atoms" what bunkum.

    Malcolm

    William Hornbaker
    4.21.09
    Basically there are only TWO sources of energy for any/all aplications of human usage. Fossil and Solar. All others, are derivatives of these two. Solar accounts for almost if not all of the derivatives. Vegetation, weather water cycles, wind, and ocean currents, tides. What is needed is a simple, inexpensive, and reliable means of energy storage for such times as the sun doesn't shine, the wind doesn't blow, and there is no rain in needed areas.

    Mathew Hoole
    4.21.09
    In India, the urban areas are very dense. Where will all the solar panels be put? What will happen to energy levels during the rainy season? How do you plan to deal with storm damage? Knowing how expensive solar is, how will the poorest 80% pay for it?

    In my view due to the urbanisation problem and land stress in India, wouldn't a better solution be one where a maximum amount of energy is generated from as little additional land use as possible, and manage to offer reliable supply.

    Imagine how well a solar powered car (without backup) would function in India, and compare that to its cost? Then imagine how well a solar powered car would function in India with a backup energy system that could guarantee supply until the sun shone again. And now imagine if such a thing existed what would be the additional cost. And then imagine (for the wind supporters) how effective would a solar car be if it included a sail. Do you really think such a vehicle would get you to and from work each day (even if it also had a 2 hour backup battery)?

    Now if you can agree that the solar car would be a poor allocation of resources, and inneffective then the same can be said for solar panels for baseload generation (even if it is gridded).

    Solar energy is an energy source with a high level of intermittancy, and as it requires indefinite backup, a high level of redundancy. It is also a high cost energy resource, and requires huge amounts of space. For these reasons alone solar should not be considered for baseload energy usage.

    I fail to see how solar can be so enthusiastically supported, when it has such severe shortcomings.

    Cheers

    Mathew Hoole
    4.21.09
    Mr Menon

    You suggest that uranium atoms are killer atoms.

    How many in India have died from such atoms from a baseload energy source ?

    And in comparison how many have died in India from the types of atoms used to make solar panels?

    Although the answers would he difficult to quantify we know the answer would be extremely low for the first question and comparatively extremely high for the second.

    Cheers

    Len Gould
    4.22.09
    It's incredible how resilient is the common bias against solar. eg. central solar thermal with thermal storage and 3x collector / generation capacity is able to deliver 83% reliability, dispatchable, at competitive cost with nuclear or fossil (at today's prices, with long-term price stability), if just some relatively small volume manufacturing were implemented.

    Perhaps simply explained by the fact that many posters here work for incumbent utilities.

    Assessment of Parabolic Trough and Power Tower Solar Technology - Cost and Performance Forecasts - Sargent & Lundy LLC Engineering Group Chicago, Illinois

    [QUOTE]For the more technically aggressive low-cost case, S&L found the National Laboratories’ “SunLab” methodology and analysis to be credible. The projections by SunLab, developed in conjunction with industry, are considered by S&L to represent a “best-case analysis” in which the technology is optimized and a high deployment rate is achieved. The two sets of estimates, by SunLab and S&L, provide a band within which the costs can be expected to fall. The figure and table below highlight these results, with initial electricity costs in the range of 10 to 12.6 ¢/kWh and eventually achieving costs in the range of 3.5 to 6.2 ¢/kWh. The specific values will depend on total capacity of various technologies deployed and the extent of R&D program success. In the technically aggressive cases for troughs / towers, the S&L analysis found that cost reductions were due to volume production (26%/28%), plant scale-up (20%/48%), and technological advance (54%/24%).[/QUOTE]

    Given Sargent & Lundy Engineering's worst case scenario provides peak time solar electricity at $0.062/kwh by only building 2.8 GW and doing a few minor and definitely achievable R&D improvements, plus transmission, and a clear path is provided to offering 83% capacity factor using cheap sand and gravel tanks for thermal storage with 3x collector area and no additional central plant, which should make the installation no more expensive PER KWH if only the industry can get to 2.8 GW installed, I don;t see what we are waiting for.

    It also appears to me that the more agressive forecasts of NREL / SunLab of $0.035 / kwh if we can get to 8.2 GW insalled quite quickly is entirely within reach.

    Len Gould
    4.22.09
    I also note that India's northwestern desert provides an ideal near-perfect environment for solar thermal installation.

    Jim Beyer
    4.22.09
    If I was India, I'd start collecting all the high grade Thorium lying on my beaches.

    Then I'd go to some country like the U.S., Canada, Britain, or France, and suggest a co-development strategy to develop Thorium-based nuclear power technology. Shake them down for a few bucks and perhaps some technical expertise.

    I'd build a demonstration reactor, and then a work to develop a standard design of 500-2000 MW.

    I'd develop the processes to build these systems in large quantity. I'd make the design as "open" as feasible so others could be comfortable with it and suggest improvements.

    Then I'd sell a whole bunch of them both domestically and internationally.

    Jim Beyer
    4.22.09
    Len,

    I hear what you are saying, but the proof is in the pudding. At some point, someone needs to demonstrate this technology. I guess that since that hasn't happened (yet) then maybe those numbers have to be looked at more critically (from SunLab and others).

    Not to (publicly) rain on the solar thermal parade but my concern is that the low overall density (energetically) of the system might raise costs compared to what is stated. The collection system is also low density may mean maintenance costs could be problematic. Finally, the low density of collection means that heat losses from collection to the thermal storage could reduce efficiency.

    A 50 MW system (continuous) would require at least 300,000 square meters of collectors. That's a lot of area (and equipment) for such a small plant.

    Mathew Hoole
    4.22.09
    Len Aren't the few solar thermal plants that are out there in more arid parts of the world?

    I don't know too many countries that have a high population density in such regions. How effective would they be in less optimal areas where coincidently most energy would be demanded.

    Don't Solar Thermal Plants have some form of built in backup eg gas? If so, why not just use the gas, rather than the gas and solar panel arrays? Surely that would be far more efficient especially in areas where solar energy is less optimised ie most regions where people live.

    Even if there was no backup, how would solar thermal plants function during periods of prolonged cloud, and I don't just mean prolonged cloud in a local area? Molten salt at its optimised best, can feed a turbine for how long?

    I will admit solar thermal is better than just solar, but that does not mean it is an effective solution.

    Cheers

    Len Gould
    4.23.09
    All commentors should read the Sargent & Lundy engineering report referenced above. Thanks.

    Len Gould
    4.23.09
    I also agree on Jim's recommendation re: thorium reactors. A perfect system for India would be 50% baseload thorium breeder reactors with another 50% solar thermal peakers with just enough thermal storage or natural gas burner backup on the solar thermal to make them reliable peaker sources. India has a huge resource of thorium, with a beach on the southwest side where nearly unlimited thorium can simply be scooped up on the surface.

    Len Gould
    4.23.09
    Mathew: India has a huge uninhabitable desert area in the northwest. Approximately northwest between Mumbai and Delhi.

    INDIA-ENERGY: THAR DESERT COULD BE WORLD'S SOLAR POWERHOUSE - (fee payment required)

    Neena Bhandari Inter Press Service English News Wire 04-23-1996 JAIPUR/India, Apr. 22 (IPS) -- If the vast expanse of the Thar desert in northwestern India was harnessed to produce solar energy, it could light up five of Asia's most populated cities. Scientists say the endless sands of Rajasthan state could well earn the distinction of being the "biggest" solar powerhouse by 2010, producing 10,000 megawatts of electricity. The Rajasthan Energy Development Agency (REDA) has started the spade work on an ambitious project. "A major chunk of the desert, about 13,500 square miles, will be declared a Solar Energy Enterprise Zone like the one in Nevada (in the United States)," says director

    Len Gould
    4.23.09
    BTW, almost all of India is within about 1200 miles of the Thar desert. Would need a lot of pumping to get enough cooling water inland from the Arabian Sea but the resulting desalination capacity using ?waste thermal / excess off-peak nuclear and solar electricity? could be another boon to the local economy.

    Ferdinand E. Banks
    4.30.09
    I've discovered the ideal way to approach solar energy: don't think about it. The ignoramus who is the head of the Swedish energy office/bureaucracy believes that solar and wind can replace nuclear. In his world they can, because although he is a PhD in technical physics, he is basically without a clue. Something like Josef Goebbels when he was sending those battalions of overage fools out to face the Soviet tanks.

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